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Original Post: How we won the DU "Game" debate...
TruthIsAll Moderator Click to send a private message to this memberClick to view this member's profileClick to view posts by this memberClick to add this member to your buddy list
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Sun Dec-18-05 04:10 PM
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Edited by TruthIsAll on Mon Dec-19-05 10:50 AM

The DU "Game" was a debate thread in which the naysayers finally
agreed to provide a quantitative rationale to explain how Bush
won the election by 3 million votes.

The Final National Exit Poll "How Voted in 2000" demographic
was the focus of the "Game".

The naysayers agreed to this stipulation:
The Final NEP Bush/Gore 43/37% weights were mathematically impossible.
For the game, the assumption was that Bush and Gore voters represented an
equal mix of the 2004 electorate (around 39%).

We won The "Game" because the naysayer Bush vote share
assumptions required to derive his margin were implausible.
Some of the reasons why are explained in the earlier DU threads
with links given below. There are many more.

The "Game" thread was the last one in which I posted at DU.
For this reason and also because we won, it will always
have a special significance.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboa...


Since Kerry won all plausible voter turnout scenarios...

RETURN OF THE CLINCHER: Kerry wins 120 of 120 scenarios
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboa...

naysayers were forced to provide implausible explanations...

Bush needed 1 of 6 Gore 2000 voters to win by 3 million votes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboa...

still they wanted to have it both ways...

Naysayer Hobson's Choice: Final NEP or rBr? Take your pick.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboa...

but the reluctant Bush responder (rBr) hypothesis was debunked...

EXIT POLL RESPONSE OPTIMIZER: KEY RESULTS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboa...

and the odds of Bush winning required non-responders were remote...

PROBABILITY ANALYSIS:THE RBR HYPOTHESIS IS VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboa...

while the Final National Exit Poll Bush/Gore 43/37% voter turnout
was a mathematical impossibility...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboa...

and the great majority of EIRS-documented DRE incidents were
one-sided in favor of Bush...

Prob (86 of 88 DREs switch Kerry votes to Bush):
1 in 79,010,724,999,066,700,000,000
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboa...







http://progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?a...



These FACTS are never discussed in the media.
- election fraud
- undecided voters break for the challenger, especially if the incumbent is unpopular. Bush was at 48%.
- Many newly registered voters are not included in LV (likely voter) polls.
- Since 1988, Democrats have won 60-70% of new voters. In 2008, Obama had 71%+.
- MILLIONS of mostly (70-80%) Democratic votes are uncounted in every election
- The 2004/2006/2008 Final National Exit Polls indicated there were millions of returning phantom Bush voters from the prior election (more than were alive).
- The Final National and State exit polls are always FORCED TO MATCH the recorded vote.
- By definition, the RECORDED VOTE never reflects the TRUE VOTE since millions of votes are UNCOUNTED in EVERY election.
- Uncounted votes alone provide overwhelming evidence that elections were stolen in 1968, 1988, 2000 and 2004.
- 1968: 6 million net uncounted votes.
Nixon won the recorded vote by 500,000.
- 1988: 10.6 million net uncounted votes. Bush won the recorded vote by 7m.
- 2000: 5.4 million net uncounted votes. Gore won the recorded vote by 540,000.
- 2004: Nearly 4 million uncounted votes.
Bush won the recorded vote by 3.0 million.
Kerry won the True Vote by 10m.
Approximately 5 million were switched from Kerry to Bush on UNVERIFIABLE voting machines.

- 2006 midterms: Democrats won by more than double the recorded 52-46%% margin.
10-20 House seats were stolen.

- 2008: Obama won by more than double his recorded 9.5m margin.

1988-2008: the average Democratic TRUE VOTE margin was reduced from 10% to a 4% RECORDED MARGIN by Election Fraud.

VOTER FRAUD was virtually non-existent.

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How we won the DU "Game" debate... , TruthIsAll, Sun Dec-18-05 04:10 PM

Reply #1: Great!
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Sat Dec-24-05 07:31 AM
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Does it mean Chimpy has to resign cuz he's not the Prez?

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Reply #2: legitimacy
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Sat Dec-24-05 10:45 AM
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Edited by mberst on Sat Dec-24-05 10:46 AM

We are not bound to honor or obey authority that is not legitimate. The burden of proof for legitimacy is on those presuming to have authority over us.


Before he enters on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed - That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

You who have wept 2000 years
For one who agonized for 3 days and 3 nights

What tears will you have left
For those who agonized
Far more than 300 nights and far more than 300 days?
How hard
Shall you weep
For those who agonized through so many agonies
And they were countless

They did not believe in resurrection to eternal life
And knew you would not weep.

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Reply #3: For those unfamiliar with the "Game"...
TruthIsAll Moderator Click to send a private message to this memberClick to view this member's profileClick to view posts by this memberClick to add this member to your buddy list
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Wed Feb-08-06 09:29 AM
In response to Original Post

 
 
Edited by TruthIsAll on Wed Feb-08-06 12:01 PM

this is a MUST read...

http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.p...

http://progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?a...



These FACTS are never discussed in the media.
- election fraud
- undecided voters break for the challenger, especially if the incumbent is unpopular. Bush was at 48%.
- Many newly registered voters are not included in LV (likely voter) polls.
- Since 1988, Democrats have won 60-70% of new voters. In 2008, Obama had 71%+.
- MILLIONS of mostly (70-80%) Democratic votes are uncounted in every election
- The 2004/2006/2008 Final National Exit Polls indicated there were millions of returning phantom Bush voters from the prior election (more than were alive).
- The Final National and State exit polls are always FORCED TO MATCH the recorded vote.
- By definition, the RECORDED VOTE never reflects the TRUE VOTE since millions of votes are UNCOUNTED in EVERY election.
- Uncounted votes alone provide overwhelming evidence that elections were stolen in 1968, 1988, 2000 and 2004.
- 1968: 6 million net uncounted votes.
Nixon won the recorded vote by 500,000.
- 1988: 10.6 million net uncounted votes. Bush won the recorded vote by 7m.
- 2000: 5.4 million net uncounted votes. Gore won the recorded vote by 540,000.
- 2004: Nearly 4 million uncounted votes.
Bush won the recorded vote by 3.0 million.
Kerry won the True Vote by 10m.
Approximately 5 million were switched from Kerry to Bush on UNVERIFIABLE voting machines.

- 2006 midterms: Democrats won by more than double the recorded 52-46%% margin.
10-20 House seats were stolen.

- 2008: Obama won by more than double his recorded 9.5m margin.

1988-2008: the average Democratic TRUE VOTE margin was reduced from 10% to a 4% RECORDED MARGIN by Election Fraud.

VOTER FRAUD was virtually non-existent.

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