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Reply #40: A Visit From Fred
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Mon Aug-20-07 11:10 AM
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Fred, of "Total Fakery" fame, paid PI a quick visit yesterday, which I'm sure many of you are aware of. He cried Foul (somehow tinged with a sense of vast emptiness) briefly but boldly, and then just as boldly vanished.

Here's the link to the thread he started:

<http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.p...>

In effect, Fred created a parallel thread (some would say a parallel universe) so I hope forum members won't mind if I re-post a piece that I wrote up for Fred's Thread which I feel is just as deserved of a position here. I think it explains Fred's sudden appearance and exit:

Our newest member, Fred, is promoting his visit to our forum in the accompanying blurb to a little video he has made about me and some of the other "Disinformation Artists" over here at PI.

"GO TO BATTERY PARK AND CHECK OUT THE LOCATION FOR YOURSELF! See if this post got deleted yet... http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.p... Recently liars like Factfinder General are attempting to play down the 9/11 TV Fakery evidence with a limited hangout that discourages you from investigating the FCS Future Combat System and learning exactly how they made the fake 9/11 Shock and Awe videos." <http://www.mefeedia.com/feeds/22766/>

Here's the video up on YouTube:

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FYI:

bsregistration's YouTube page:
<http://www.youtube.com/user/bsregistration>

bsregistation's video home and link to this video:
<http://www.livevideo.com/video/bsregistration/2E93...>

Quotes from the video:

opening narration:
""Recently there has been an effort by people who wish to defend the media and defend CNN's role in showing fake video on 911, to discount the TV Fakery Evidence and the work that has been done by Killtown, Fred, myself and others and to try to create the idea that you don't need to worry about geo-referenced information or the Future Combat System, that the CNN video was actually taken by Michael Hezarkhani and that photographs were taken by Carmen Taylor on 911 and then a plane was inserted into the image. Now the video is fake and it's true that the plane was inserted into the image but what's not true is that those people shot real video"

regarding the insertion of fake planes into authentic footage:
"That idea was sort of current as of 2004, 2005 but has since been completely disproven."

regarding PI members as disinformation artists:
"First of all the deck of the ferry boat is not ground level near Castle Clinton in Battery Park as Factfinder General, u2r2u and some of the other disinformation artists are claiming"

Obviously, Fred and whoever narrates the video, not Fred it seems judging from the opening narration, were far too busy making their little "Hit Piece" for rush release to spend any time debating the matter rationally and calmly over here at PI as we all were hoping would happen.

That's gratitude for you!

Now there's interesting reading to be had regarding Fred and this matter over at 911movement.org within a thread started by Killtown's OP - Filmer Of Accused Fake Wtc Crash Video dated Aug 7

On Aug 16 11:26 AM: Fred writes
"I'm very glad that you're publicizing this, u2r2h. As many people go down there and check it out for themselves people are going to wake up very quickly."

Now all would be chummy and fine between Fred and our fellow forum member u2r2h if u2r2h hadn't gone and posted this:

On Aug 19 2007 5;03AM u2r2h writes
"I looked at google images and it seems realistic that the footage is REAL. I know you hate me for saying that. But please look for yourself. Please don't just come back and say IT IS IMPOSSIBLE without backing up your claim.

<http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=8...>

u2r2h, Fred has gone one better! He's made a film and put it up worldwide accusing you of being a Disinformation Artist! That Fred can be so darn fickle sometimes!

u2r2h, you wrote:
"I have since sinned and converted back to "real photo/video, fake aeroplane inserted" mainly because it's simpler, and all the angles match, the trees shift perfectly."

Fickle Fred will make you PAY for your sins!

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This 'Fred' person apparently has a habit of "Hissy Fitting" on forums, getting his posts deleted and or getting himself banned, then using this fact to enhance his Martyr Status.

Read this quote from a post made over on Pilots For 911 Truth on a thread entitled "Deliberate Misrepresentation of Evidence, Videos carefully crafted to be easily debunked"

From Natasha (Posted: Aug 18 2007)

"Basically Fred, who threw a tanty fit purposely to get himself banned from here, to avoid some hard questions about his own video FAKERY, is saying in his video that the Michael Hezarkhania (sic) video, is totally fake, and not even the buildings are real. Fred says, in his video, that there is no way that it could have been shot from where it is claimed that they were, and this is now THE subject everyone is furiously discussing all over the place."
(Incidentally, the post goes on to give PI's contribution to this "Hot Topic" an honorable mention!)

Like I said, Fred:

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"A shameless occupation!"





"Did He who made the lamb make thee?"

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Unravelling The Fake Take on Fakes [View all] , Factfinder General, Thu Aug-16-07 01:16 AM
#1: I doubt that the Ellis Island Ferry, DoYouEverWonder, Aug 16th 2007
#2: You may have a point but..., Factfinder General, Aug 16th 2007
#3: FFG, please look at this thread at Pilots for 9/11 truth forum:, painter, Aug 16th 2007
#4: Her "photos" have been exhibited alongside Handschuh's however:, Factfinder General, Aug 16th 2007
#5: thanks for posting this, FF., Frumpth of Julember, Aug 16th 2007
#7: You appear to be right., painter, Aug 16th 2007
#8: the 2 planes do look identical, Frumpth of Julember, Aug 16th 2007
#11: Too identical, DoYouEverWonder, Aug 17th 2007
#14: I do not believe that Myers and Fairbanks are 911 twins..., Factfinder General, Aug 17th 2007
#6: Carment Taylor's pit stop., DulceDecorum, Aug 16th 2007
#9: Two people on a boat 19 feet apart., u2r2h, Aug 17th 2007
#12: Confirmation: Thank You., Factfinder General, Aug 17th 2007
#15: what an odd thing for Taylor to say here..., Frumpth of Julember, Aug 17th 2007
#16: One Reason for "absence' of People could be..., Factfinder General, Aug 17th 2007
#21: Who is "they"?, Ningen, Aug 17th 2007
#22: It's a pretty safe bet that footage was seized at Ground Zero..., Factfinder General, Aug 18th 2007
#25: I remember people being called on, Kailassa, Aug 18th 2007
#28: Bingo!, Factfinder General, Aug 18th 2007
#37: Could you explain more?, Ningen, Aug 18th 2007
#39: It was on TV, not in writing., Kailassa, Aug 19th 2007
#10: building positions, rewind, Aug 17th 2007
#17: I checked that link, and could not even view the topis, Kailassa, Aug 17th 2007
#18: Hi,, DoYouEverWonder, Aug 17th 2007
#19: I'm an Admin at the Pilots for 9/11 Truth Forum, painter, Aug 17th 2007
#24: It's frustrating, knowing there is information on the net, Kailassa, Aug 18th 2007
#26: how far apart the two cam-positions?, u2r2h, Aug 18th 2007
#27: The boat still would have been at the dock, DoYouEverWonder, Aug 18th 2007
#29: DYEW, OP supplies reference to boats departing at 9:00AM, nevertheless..., Factfinder General, Aug 18th 2007
#34: The reference I checked for departure times, DoYouEverWonder, Aug 18th 2007
#35: Carmen is a pro, DYEW., Factfinder General, Aug 18th 2007
#38: Disruptive? Credibility?, Ningen, Aug 18th 2007
#20: Another, rewind, Aug 17th 2007
#13: In Addition:, Factfinder General, Aug 17th 2007
#23: Here's an odd piece to add to the puzzle, DoYouEverWonder, Aug 18th 2007
#30: Great point, DYEW., Factfinder General, Aug 18th 2007
#31: The Real Carmen Taylor, Factfinder General, Aug 18th 2007
#33: Yet More Carmen Taylor Info, Factfinder General, Aug 18th 2007
#32: Does anyone have the links to the "other" Carmen Taylor" photos?, Factfinder General, Aug 18th 2007
#36: Deusche Bank on Fire!, rewind, Aug 18th 2007
#40: A Visit From Fred, Factfinder General, Aug 20th 2007
#41: One more post I don't want to go astray amidst all the hubbub:, Factfinder General, Aug 20th 2007
#42: Rewind! Check this out!, Factfinder General, Aug 20th 2007
#60: Late reply, rewind, Aug 22nd 2007
#43: For the sake of accuracy, DoYouEverWonder, Aug 20th 2007
#44: For the sake of accuracy: The image has not been flopped! (Edited due to Error), Factfinder General, Aug 21st 2007
#45: // Admin Delete //, Fred, Aug 21st 2007
#46: Tone of Injustice, BlindFollower, Aug 21st 2007
#47: Israel? What does Israel have to do with this?, Tinoire, Aug 21st 2007
#53: fred is busted - and he knows it., rewind, Aug 21st 2007
#48: Apologies, DYEW. I stand corrected!, Factfinder General, Aug 21st 2007
#49: So Fred was Right All Along, lindacc, Aug 21st 2007
#50: Another Up to the Minute Member! This reminds me of a song by Was Not Was:, Factfinder General, Aug 21st 2007
#51: Look FRED aka BLIND FOLLOWER aka LINDACC aka DRG aka GENE SHARP, Tinoire, Aug 21st 2007
#52: OMG!, Factfinder General, Aug 21st 2007
#54: Back on Track, Factfinder General, Aug 21st 2007
#55: Just had another look at my copy of the Ghost Plane vid, Factfinder General, Aug 21st 2007
#56: The camera tracking on that video is unreal., Kailassa, Aug 21st 2007
#: Kailassa: The version of the Ghost Plane Vid that I Posted Has Been Stabilized., Factfinder General, Aug 22nd 2007
#58: At the 2 minute mark the wingtip appears to have penetrated, Kailassa, Aug 22nd 2007
#59: Surely a discrepancy here indicates it is a genuine film?, Factfinder General, Aug 22nd 2007
#61: Freedom of speech is wasted where there is no freedom of thought., Kailassa, Aug 22nd 2007
#62: More Re Image Degradation, Factfinder General, Aug 22nd 2007
#63: Call me an idiot, but ..., rewind, Aug 22nd 2007
#64: You're absolutely right, Rewind. The C/U was confusing these old eyes of mine., Factfinder General, Aug 22nd 2007
#65: However..., Factfinder General, Aug 22nd 2007
#66: Watch the Left Wing Literally change color from medium gray to light gray..., Factfinder General, Aug 22nd 2007
#67: But then again we could drive ourselves crazy with this stuff..., Factfinder General, Aug 22nd 2007
#57: Erroneous Double Post, Factfinder General, Aug 22nd 2007
#68: FLYBY, u2r2h, Aug 23rd 2007
#69: Thanks, u2r2h, Ningen, Aug 23rd 2007
#70: I see no pictures at those links., Kailassa, Aug 23rd 2007
#71: can I help? September Clues Part 7?, u2r2h, Aug 24th 2007
#72: Battery Park comparison, rewind, Aug 27th 2007
#73: YES!, Factfinder General, Aug 27th 2007
#74: Carmen Taylor, Amanda, Nov 02nd 2007
#75: there is someting quite troubling about her photo, dbeach, Nov 02nd 2007
#76: Carmen, Hazula, Hezarkhani and CNN are all full of, LuPeRcALiO, Nov 02nd 2007
#77: One thing is for sure, DoYouEverWonder, Nov 03rd 2007
#78: gotta love the blue buildings, dbeach, Nov 03rd 2007
#79: Strange isn't it?, LuPeRcALiO, Nov 04th 2007
#80: Doug Haluza and Wikipedia, Amanda, Nov 04th 2007
#81: professional credentials, dbeach, Nov 05th 2007
#82: Professional Credentials, Amanda, Nov 05th 2007
#83: you lost me, dbeach, Nov 05th 2007
#84: Your Correct, Amanda, Nov 06th 2007
#85: Assassinating the President by Carmen Taylor, Amanda, Nov 07th 2007
#86: Amanda, welcome to PI, DulceDecorum, Nov 07th 2007
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