Naysayers still persist in their attempts to debunk the SCOOP Urban Legend. They believe it's indeed plausible that Bush gained big-time over 2000 in Democratic urban/suburban areas while losing marginally in Republican small towns/rural areas. Bush was a war president, see?

But at the same time, they question the magnitude of the percentage changes in Final National Exit Poll which MATCHED to the recorded vote! It's another Hobson's Choice. Did he or didn't he?

Just like in the DU Game thread, they are once again flummoxed in having to debunk straightforward arithmetic. They probably also believe the Bush surge is working.

These posts provide further Urban Legend analysis:

http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.p...

http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.p...

New York State County Vote
(in thousands)
			
                    2000			       2004                    Vote Change        Pct Change	

County   Precincts  Votes GORE	BUSH	NADER	Votes	KERRY	BUSH	NADER	KERRY	BUSH	NADER	KERRY	BUSH

Total	     15553	6,270	59.8%	35.4%	4.8%	6,892	57.9%	40.6%	1.5%	246.5	573.3	-196.9	6.6%	25.8%
 

Brooklyn    	1888	557	80%	16%	4%	630	74%	25%	0.8%	23.3	67.2	-17.1	5%	75%
Suffolk    	1006	536	53%	42%	5%	618	49%	49%	2.1%	18.0	77.7	-13.7	6%	35%
Nassau    	1070	554	58%	39%	4%	597	52%	47%	1.0%	-6.7	64.5	-14.7	-2%	30%
Manhattan  	1100	522	79%	15%	6%	572	82%	17%	1.4%	59.1	16.4	-25.1	14%	21%
Queens    	1470	512	74%	23%	3%	559	71%	28%	0.8%	18.3	41.3	-11.9	5%	36%
 
Erie    	1007	384	57%	37%	6%	411	56%	42%	2.2%	13.3	27.7	-13.5	6%	19%
Wstchester 	948	306	58%	37%	4%	377	58%	41%	1.5%	39.5	38.9	-7.3	22%	34%
Monroe    	792	300	51%	44%	5%	330	50%	48%	1.6%	13.9	26.3	-10.2	9%	20%
Bronx    	912	279	86%	12%	2%	318	83%	17%	0.6%	22.8	19.7	-3.9	10%	59%
Onondaga   	485	190	54%	41%	5%	199	54%	44%	1.8%	5.4	10.1	-6.5	5%	13%
 
StatenIsl  	333	133	52%	45%	3%	148	42%	57%	0.8%	-6.2	24.3	-2.9	-9%	40%
Albany    	327	130	60%	34%	6%	136	60%	38%	1.9%	3.8	6.9	-5.6	5%	16%
Orange    	284	118	46%	50%	5%	135	44%	55%	1.3%	5.1	16.0	-3.7	9%	27%
Rockland   	250	117	56%	40%	4%	122	49%	50%	1.5%	-6.0	13.7	-2.7	-9%	29%
Dutchess   	239	105	47%	47%	6%	114	47%	52%	1.6%	4.0	9.7	-4.7	8%	20%
 
Saratoga   	168	89	45%	50%	5%	100	45%	53%	1.8%	4.7	8.3	-2.3	12%	19%
Niagara    	180	87	52%	43%	5%	90	49%	49%	1.9%	-1.2	5.9	-2.7	-3%	16%
Oneida    	209	87	45%	49%	5%	89	42%	55%	2.3%	-1.7	6.5	-2.6	-4%	15%
Broome    	193	81	52%	43%	6%	84	50%	48%	2.0%	0.0	5.7	-3.0	0%	16%
Ulster    	161	72	48%	44%	8%	84	54%	43%	2.3%	10.6	4.8	-4.1	30%	15%
 
Rensselaer 	136	64	51%	43%	6%	67	49%	48%	2.2%	0.5	4.8	-2.4	2%	17%
Schenectdy 	131	63	53%	42%	5%	65	52%	47%	1.8%	0.0	4.0	-2.1	0%	15%
Chataqua   	135	55	46%	49%	5%	57	45%	53%	1.9%	0.0	3.0	-1.4	0%	11%
Oswego    	107	45	47%	48%	5%	49	47%	51%	2.0%	1.8	2.9	-1.3	9%	13%
Ontario    	88	42	44%	51%	5%	47	42%	56%	1.6%	1.1	4.5	-1.4	6%	21%
 
Putnam    	72	40	44%	51%	5%	44	41%	58%	1.1%	0.6	4.7	-1.7	3%	23%
Steuben    	82	38	36%	59%	4%	39	34%	64%	1.7%	-0.3	2.9	-1.0	-2%	13%
Wayne    	67	36	39%	56%	4%	39	38%	60%	1.7%	0.4	2.9	-1.0	3%	14%
Tompkins   	67	37	54%	34%	12%	38	64%	34%	2.4%	4.8	0.6	-3.6	25%	5%
StLawrence 	99	37	54%	41%	5%	38	55%	44%	1.9%	0.8	1.3	-1.1	4%	9%
 
Chemung    	82	35	46%	50%	4%	38	43%	54%	2.4%	0.5	3.3	-0.6	3%	19%
Jefferson  	83	27	42%	47%	10%	35	43%	55%	2.1%	3.7	6.3	-2.1	32%	49%
Cayuga    	61	30	49%	45%	6%	32	50%	48%	2.2%	1.6	2.3	-1.0	11%	17%
Catargus   	74	32	40%	55%	5%	32	39%	59%	1.8%	-0.3	1.5	-1.0	-3%	8%
Clinton    	64	29	50%	44%	6%	31	52%	46%	2.1%	1.9	1.6	-1.0	13%	12%
 
Livingston 	57	26	39%	56%	6%	29	38%	60%	2.1%	1.4	3.4	-0.8	14%	24%
Sullivan   	63	25	50%	45%	5%	28	49%	50%	1.9%	1.0	2.5	-0.8	8%	22%
Madison    	51	26	42%	52%	5%	28	43%	55%	1.8%	0.9	1.7	-0.8	8%	12%
Warren    	57	26	43%	52%	5%	28	43%	55%	2.0%	0.7	1.9	-0.8	7%	14%
Herkimer   	61	25	44%	51%	5%	26	41%	57%	2.0%	-0.5	1.9	-0.7	-4%	15%
 
Columbia   	54	26	47%	46%	7%	26	54%	43%	2.1%	1.7	-0.8	-1.4	14%	-7%
Genesee    	53	26	40%	55%	5%	26	37%	61%	1.6%	-0.8	1.4	-1.0	-8%	10%
Otsego    	58	23	45%	48%	7%	25	47%	51%	2.0%	0.8	1.3	-1.0	8%	11%
Washington 	51	22	41%	53%	6%	23	42%	56%	2.4%	0.8	1.4	-0.7	9%	12%
Greene    	52	19	40%	54%	6%	23	39%	59%	2.0%	1.3	3.2	-0.7	17%	31%
 
Tioga    	46	21	41%	54%	5%	22	40%	58%	1.7%	0.4	1.4	-0.6	4%	13%
Cortland   	42	20	47%	47%	6%	21	47%	51%	1.9%	0.7	1.5	-0.7	7%	16%
Fulton    	49	21	43%	53%	4%	21	41%	57%	1.9%	-0.4	0.6	-0.5	-4%	6%
Delaware   	59	19	42%	53%	5%	20	40%	58%	2.4%	0.2	1.6	-0.5	3%	16%
Montgomery 	49	20	49%	47%	4%	20	44%	54%	1.9%	-0.9	1.4	-0.4	-9%	15%
 
Chenang    	39	19	45%	50%	5%	20	43%	55%	2.0%	-0.1	1.3	-0.6	-1%	14%
Allegany   	41	17	35%	61%	5%	18	34%	64%	1.7%	0.0	1.0	-0.5	0%	10%
Essex    	39	16	44%	49%	7%	17	46%	52%	2.2%	0.6	0.9	-0.7	8%	11%
Wyoming    	39	17	35%	60%	5%	17	34%	65%	1.4%	-0.1	0.9	-0.5	-2%	9%
Franklin   	49	16	50%	45%	5%	17	51%	47%	1.9%	0.6	0.7	-0.5	7%	9%
 
Orleans    	40	15	38%	58%	4%	16	35%	63%	1.6%	-0.1	1.2	-0.4	-2%	13%
Seneca    	27	13	48%	47%	5%	14	45%	52%	2.1%	0.1	1.3	-0.4	2%	21%
Schoharie  	29	13	39%	55%	5%	13	39%	59%	2.1%	0.2	0.9	-0.4	4%	14%
Lewis    	30	10	40%	56%	4%	11	40%	58%	1.9%	0.3	0.6	-0.2	8%	10%
Yates    	20	9	39%	55%	5%	10	39%	60%	1.6%	0.2	0.7	-0.3	5%	15%
 
Schuyler   	17	8	40%	54%	6%	8	40%	58%	1.9%	0.2	0.7	-0.3	8%	18%
Hamilton   	11	3	29%	64%	7%	3	32%	66%	1.6%	0.1	0.1	-0.2	15%	6%
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?a...



These FACTS are never discussed in the media. 
- election fraud
- undecided voters break for the challenger, especially if the incumbent is unpopular. Bush was at 48%.
- Many newly registered voters are not included in LV (likely voter) polls. 
- Since 1988, Democrats have won 60-70% of new voters. In 2008, Obama had 71%+.
- MILLIONS of mostly (70-80%) Democratic votes are uncounted in every election 
- The 2004/2006/2008 Final National Exit Polls indicated there were millions of returning phantom Bush voters from the prior election (more than were alive). 
- The Final National and State exit polls are always FORCED TO MATCH the recorded vote. 
- By definition, the RECORDED VOTE never reflects the TRUE VOTE since millions of votes are UNCOUNTED in EVERY election. 
- Uncounted votes alone provide overwhelming evidence that elections were stolen in 1968, 1988, 2000 and 2004.  
- 1968: 6 million net uncounted votes.
 Nixon won the recorded vote by 500,000.
- 1988: 10.6 million net uncounted votes. Bush won the recorded vote by 7m.
- 2000: 5.4 million net uncounted votes. Gore won the recorded vote by 540,000.
- 2004: Nearly 4 million uncounted votes. 
Bush won the recorded vote by 3.0 million. 
Kerry won the True Vote by 10m.
Approximately 5 million were switched from Kerry to Bush on UNVERIFIABLE voting machines.

- 2006 midterms: Democrats won by more than double the recorded 52-46%% margin.
10-20 House seats were stolen.

- 2008: Obama won by more than double his recorded 9.5m margin.

1988-2008: the average Democratic TRUE VOTE  margin was reduced from 10% to a 4% RECORDED MARGIN by Election Fraud. 

VOTER FRAUD was virtually non-existent.